Lunch with the FT: Roberto Saviano.

By John Lloyd

Roberto Saviano © James Ferguson

Hav­ing arranged to meet for lunch, I am told to wait in front of a cen­tral land­mark at a cer­tain time. The time passes; I am about to call when a car detaches itself from the traf­fic and shoots towards me. A man gets out, the bulge of his pis­tol beneath his short coat, says “Lloyd?”, apol­o­gises for the delay and opens the back door of the car. His col­league dri­ves as we race back into the traf­fic and through the city to a hotel.

Two cars with police escorts are parked out­side. I am taken in, down a cor­ri­dor, into a white, win­dow­less room with a lit­tle table in the cen­tre set for two, a flower in a vase. A lux­u­ri­ous cell. By agree­ment – pressed on me cour­te­ously but insis­tently – I can­not divulge the name of the hotel here, nor even the city.

One of the police escorts waits with me: he says he decided to join the Cara­binieri in his native Sicily “because there’s noth­ing for the young there: some of my friends joined the black econ­omy”. Once he had passed a check done on his par­ents and grand­par­ents – they were appar­ently untouched by crime or Mafia – he was sent to the main­land, spent some time in uni­form, then vol­un­teered for escort train­ing (“though I knew it was more dan­ger­ous”) and was detailed to guard Roberto Saviano.

It is four years since the pub­li­ca­tion of Gomor­rah, the Naples-born writer’s descrip­tion of life under the Camorra, the Neapoli­tan crime syn­di­cate. Part jour­nal­ism, part reportage in the first per­son, part auto­bi­og­ra­phy, the book is a hybrid. Vivid flashes of obser­va­tion are jux­ta­posed with bit­ter denun­ci­a­tions of cru­elty and indif­fer­ence. Fed­erico Varese, pro­fes­sor of crim­i­nol­ogy at the Uni­ver­sity of Oxford and one of the world’s fore­most schol­ars of organ­ised crime, says Saviano makes clear not just the bru­tal­ity of the Camorra, but also the way they have their claws dug so deep into Neapoli­tan soci­ety (and far beyond). What made the book espe­cially valu­able, he says, is the way “he showed how they are use­ful to a sec­tion of the peo­ple: they pro­vide credit, they allow invest­ments in their drugs and other busi­nesses and then pay inter­est; they will stamp on com­pe­ti­tion. And he didn’t just write about them as a local phe­nom­e­non: he showed how they are tied into global net­works: he showed that they affect you and me.”

The book was a huge suc­cess – in Italy alone, a coun­try with a rel­a­tively small read­ing pub­lic, 2m copies were sold; and in 2008 an extra­or­di­nary film of it was made, directed by Mat­teo Gar­rone with ama­teur Neapoli­tan actors, some mere chil­dren. Saviano, still in his 20s, became nation­ally famous as a no-holds-barred hater of the gangs, a glim­mer of light against their grow­ing dark­ness. At the same time, it has meant that he has had to accept that he is a tar­get for their wrath, that he has to live with the con­se­quences of his actions.

He enters – slim, shaven-headed, a sharp, hand­some but watch­ful face – and we sit. I ges­ture about the room: “This is how you live?” “This is how I live; all the time,” he replies. He has been liv­ing like this almost since Gomor­rah was pub­lished and the Camorra said they would kill him. In 2008 an informer named Carmine Schi­avone, a cousin of Francesco Schi­avone, one of the Cal­abrian Camorra Clan dei Casalesi lead­ers, revealed details of a plan to blow up Saviano’s car as it was trav­el­ling between Naples and Rome.

It is, the 31-year-old acknowl­edges, a vel­vet prison: Gomor­rah made him a rich man, while the state pro­vides the round-the-clock sur­veil­lance. I recall a sen­tence from one of the essays in his lat­est book, Beauty and the Inferno, a col­lec­tion of reflec­tions on his life in hid­ing due to be pub­lished in Britain early next year. “I think of all the birth­days I have spent – anx­ious, sad, alone – since being forced into hid­ing to live with a police escort.” He smiles, sadly. He must move con­stantly, from flat to flat: as oth­ers in his posi­tion have found, once neigh­bours dis­cover he is there, they com­plain and ask him to leave. The white cell in which we are to be served a deli­cious lunch is at once reward and punishment.

Yet in the out­side world into which he can­not ven­ture unpro­tected, the front pages are full of Saviano: his book, his jour­nal­ism and now a tele­vi­sion pro­gramme. Vieni Via Con Me (Come Away With Me) is a two-hour, interview-based pro­gramme on issues of con­tem­po­rary impor­tance, filmed at an undis­closed loca­tion sur­rounded by secu­rity, and Saviano’s main role is to deliver a mono­logue of nearly half an hour, straight to the cam­era, on a sub­ject of his choice. “It’s a slow talk,” he says, “cer­tainly not the kind of thing you’d nor­mally see on TV, espe­cially not on Ital­ian TV.”

An early episode, in which he claimed the south­ern clans now held sway over large parts of the econ­omy of the north, caused uproar. The show, on the state TV chan­nel, RAI 3 – tra­di­tion­ally a pro­tected space for the left and thus not under the influ­ence of prime min­is­ter Sil­vio Berlus­coni, but with gen­er­ally low rat­ings – got 8m view­ers on its first air­ing, and 9m on its sec­ond. I con­grat­u­late Saviano: he is proud, say­ing it was RAI 3’s biggest audi­ence since its cre­ation in 1979, then instantly qual­i­fies this achieve­ment, say­ing: “But the hatred it has caused! From the polit­i­cal class. It’s a hatred you see every­where in Italy – towards those who stand up and try to counter the pre­vail­ing cli­mate. Really, a hatred.”

Saviano describes this reac­tion as la macchina del fango, “the mud machine”, a phrase that has caught on in Italy. As our first course arrives – the choice has been made for us, a deli­cious risotto with prawns, served with a light white wine – I ask him what he means by it. “It is the instinc­tive reac­tion, not just of politi­cians but of the soci­ety. Look how [Gio­vanni] Fal­cone and [Paolo] Borsellino [the anti-Mafia procu­ra­tors mur­dered by the Sicil­ian Mafia in 1992] were treated – they were blamed, vil­i­fied, because their actions showed up the indif­fer­ence of the polit­i­cal class and of society.”

For Saviano, sec­ond only to his loathing of organ­ised crime is his fury about a sub­ject Borsellino referred to in his speech at Falcone’s funeral, two months before his own – “the foul­ness of moral com­pro­mise, of indif­fer­ence, of … com­plic­ity”. Saviano says it is the tac­tic of the pow­er­ful “to con­fer legit­i­macy on those who con­form, to encour­age or even ini­ti­ate the work­ings of ‘the mud machine’ to those who threaten their rule”.

The waiter, def­er­en­tial and a lit­tle ner­vous, is back soon with the main course: sea bass wrapped about a fill­ing of chopped veg­eta­bles, then steamed in can­is­ters and served in two lit­tle columns, with small pota­toes. Saviano, who has been ani­mated for the first part of our meet­ing, with a ready smile and laugh, now lapses more often into short silences, his answers shorter, his eyes down­cast. I ask him to talk about his fam­ily and friends but he declines to fol­low me there. He suf­fers from depres­sion; his style of life inten­si­fies this. His fame and the courage he showed in achiev­ing it has opened doors and intro­duced him to an Ital­ian – and world – cul­tural elite: but they have also robbed him of the ordi­nary activ­i­ties of a young man. He talks, as he has in the past, of leav­ing Italy for a more secure loca­tion, where “the mud machine” will not con­t­a­m­i­nate him. I ask him whether, as some spec­u­la­tion has it, he will enter pol­i­tics. “No, cer­tainly not. It is not because I think all pol­i­tics and politi­cians are venal: cer­tainly, some are cor­rupt but I know many who work as well as they can to improve the coun­try. But writ­ing is what I am.”

He acknowl­edges, how­ever, that he has been taken up by the Ital­ian left: his show is on the left­ist chan­nel, much of his jour­nal­ism is for La Repub­blica, a centre-left daily. Yet he is not a nat­ural or ide­o­log­i­cal left­ist. Among influ­ences he men­tions in con­ver­sa­tion – he stud­ied phi­los­o­phy at uni­ver­sity, his read­ing is wide and he has fewer diver­sions from books than most – are the anar­chist Errico Malat­esta; south­ern writ­ers he thinks unjustly neglected, such as the anti-fascists Gae­tano Salvem­ini and Giustino For­tu­nato; con­ser­v­a­tive Ger­man writ­ers Carl Schmitt and Ernst Jünger, and even pro-fascist authors such as Ezra Pound and the Ital­ian Julius Evola. Yet he describes him­self as a lib­eral, while admit­ting “in Italy the lib­eral strand is weak and thin; it was crushed between the two great forces of Chris­t­ian democ­racy and communism”.

He knew from an early age, he says, that he had to write, to bear wit­ness to the crim­i­nal­ity about him. His upbring­ing in Naples was in a middle-class house­hold, headed by his father Luigi, a doc­tor, and his Jew­ish mother, Miriam. Yet all about him was the Camorra, a sprawl­ing, clan-based crim­i­nal fra­ter­nity with roots at least 200 years old. They con­trol the milk and fish indus­tries, the cof­fee trade, and more than 2,500 bak­eries in the city. They also con­trol waste man­age­ment and bat­tles over con­trol of this lucra­tive trade have spo­rad­i­cally seen rub­bish pile up on Neapoli­tan streets over the past three years.

As an ado­les­cent, Saviano saw his father severely beaten for assist­ing a Camorra vic­tim: the “rule” was that such a per­son should be left to die. His father, how­ever, pro­fessed respect for the men of power, coun­selling his son to be strong, like the Camorra bosses. More influ­en­tial may have been an anti-Camorra priest, Don Pep­pino, who gets a chap­ter in Gomor­rah, and was killed by those he denounced. Saviano remem­bers the priest telling him one who opposed the clans had to be “there to accuse and to tes­tify … [using] the word with its only defence: speak­ing out”.

Saviano has fol­lowed that advice and it has given him his extra­or­di­nary promi­nence. He is strongly there in every­thing he writes; and now, still more strongly, in his TV show. “I think writ­ing of the kind I do must make an impres­sion because it is a nar­ra­tive, which is how peo­ple are engaged in it. The story is car­ried not just by the facts. It must be lit­er­a­ture as well as fact.”

His writ­ing has cat­a­pulted him into the upper aris­toc­racy of let­ters: invited to a cer­e­mony two years ago at the Nobel Com­mit­tee in Stock­holm, he met the writer Salman Rushdie, who incurred an Iran­ian fatwa for his “blas­phe­mous” 1988 novel The Satanic Verses and for years had police pro­tec­tion. Both writ­ers gave lec­tures on “Free­dom of Speech and Law­less Vio­lence”, and the older man told Saviano that he should, in time, leave his vel­vet prison in spite of the risks or, he said: “Your ene­mies will have achieved their aim. Their aim is to have you dead. And you will be dead – not phys­i­cally but men­tally and morally. You can­not do as you wish; you can­not live fully. They have killed you.” Recall­ing this Saviano says: “This was a rev­e­la­tion for me then: he was right, and I’ve learned he was right.”

Like Rushdie, who now lives rel­a­tively openly, and the Somalian-born writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who still lives with secu­rity after anti-Islamic “blas­phemies” in her 2006 mem­oir, Infi­del, and her strong anti-Islamist cam­paign­ing, Saviano con­tin­ues to rub salt in the wounds of his ene­mies by his insis­tent, per­sonal force. And like them, he also suf­fers not just from the mal­ice of those who work or fall into step with the mud machine, but also from the faint­heart­ed­ness of those who wish him well. He talks of safe houses that had to be aban­doned because of the protests of fright­ened neigh­bours (as well as the courage of anony­mous friends and even strangers who extended hos­pi­tal­ity); and he says he has ene­mies on the left as well as the right, who regard his anti-Mafia writ­ings and cam­paigns as “exces­sive”, even antipatriotic.

On the day we meet, those parts of the main Ital­ian news­pa­pers that are not exer­cised by Saviano and his TV show are sig­nalling the cri­sis of the Berlus­coni gov­ern­ment – pro­voked, as in the past, by scan­dals with young women to whom the prime min­is­ter has allegedly offered hos­pi­tal­ity and “pro­tec­tion”. More seri­ously for him, this is now accom­pa­nied by a falling pub­lic trust on the part of cit­i­zens who appear to no longer believe in his abil­ity to bring suc­cess to the econ­omy. “Berlus­coni is fin­ished,” says Saviano flatly.
In the first episode of Vieni Via Con Me, the famous comic Roberto Benigni tells a Mafia joke against the prime min­is­ter: mock­ing a Berlus­coni hint that the rumours about his pri­vate life were an indi­ca­tion that the Mafia were plot­ting against him, Benigni asked if the Mafia were now using pretty young girls instead of guns and bombs, and imag­ined the pre­mier return­ing home one night to find three girls in his bed, and shriek­ing: “The Mafia are after me!”.

For Saviano, the pro­gramme, mix­ing solem­nity and mock­ery and attract­ing record audi­ences, is an over­due sign of a civic revolt. But his eyes remain down­cast; and he must move on, to rehearsals for the next show. At once a hero of his time and a vic­tim of his coun­try, he smiles, shakes hands, leaves our lux­u­ri­ous cell, and the escorts close about him.

‘Beauty and the Inferno’ by Roberto Saviano (MacLe­hose Press) will be pub­lished in the UK early next year

John Lloyd is an FT con­tribut­ing editor

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